Transcript of John Burroughs Hypnosis Session #2:

Hypnotherapist:  Melinda Vail

Date:  October4, 2008

Location:  Tempe, Arizona

 
“We, three of us went.

WHO WENT?
Jim, I and a guy called Cabansag. Staff Sergeant James W. Penniston was duty supervisor at RAF Woodbridge and drove to the East Gate in a truck with newly assigned Airman 1st Class Edward Cabansag (pronounced Cuh-VAN-sack)]

WHO WAS DRIVING THIS TIME?
Jim.

WHERE WERE YOU? FRONT OR BACK?
It was a three-pack, so I was by the door and the other guy (Cabansag) was in the middle.
 
OK, WHEN YOU GOT TO THE END OF THE ROAD, DID YOU GET OUT?
Well, we turned, went to another road and went to the forest (Rendlesham). Oooooooh!

ARE YOU IN THE FOREST NOW?
Ooooh, I think sooooo.

WHAT’S IN THE FOREST?
It’s dark.

ARE THERE ANY LIGHTS?
They are there, I think, in the distance.

LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
 (John’s whole body jerks) Oh, no! That light said ‘No!’

I KNOW, BUT WE CAN SEE ANYWAY. THE LIGHT IS NOT IN CHARGE. WE’RE IN CHARGE.
Yeah, right. (sarcastic)

WE ARE IN CHARGE AND SEE, YOU CAN FEEL MY HAND. I’VE GOT YOU. YOU ARE SAFE.
It’s not about being safe.

WHAT’S IT ABOUT?
I don’t know, but I don’t feel scared. But every time you want me to go there, that light says, ‘No!’”

ARE THERE ANY LIGHTS?
They are there, I think, in the distance.

LET’S SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
(John’s whole body jerks) Oh, no! That light said ‘No!’

I KNOW, BUT WE CAN SEE ANYWAY. THE LIGHT IS NOT IN CHARGE. WE’RE IN CHARGE.
Yeah, right. (sarcastic)

WE ARE IN CHARGE AND SEE, YOU CAN FEEL MY HAND. I’VE GOT YOU. YOU ARE SAFE.
It’s not about being safe.

WHAT’S IT ABOUT?
 I don’t know, but I don’t feel scared. But every time you want me to go there, that light says, ‘No!’”  We all of a sudden come upon a bright, white light.

DO YOU TALK TO EACH OTHER?
Yeah, we’re scared. I mean, we’re – I don’t know, not scared, but shocked or caught off guard.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO EACH OTHER?
We just dive and hit the ground.

YOU HIT THE GROUND?
Yeah, all three of us.

WHEN YOU HIT THE GROUND, YOU ARE ON YOUR BELLY AND YOU LOOKED UP AND STILL SAW THE LIGHT?
It was so bright.

DID YOU COVER YOUR FACE OR DID YOU LOOK UP?
 I think I looked up. (body jerks) Ooooooh!

WHAT IS IT?
I’m in something
 
WHAT ARE YOU IN?
I don’t know. My mind is in something.

TELL ME WHAT IT IS.
I don’t know. It fooled my mind into ….

ARE YOU INSIDE THE LIGHT?
It’s all around me now.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE INSIDE THE LIGHT?
No, nothing. Nothing right now. It’s just around me now. (breathing)

WHERE ARE THE OTHER GUYS?
They are not there.

IT’S JUST YOU IN THE LIGHT?
Yeah.”

“Right now, I’m being drawn away towards this blue light right now.

LET’S GO TO THE BLUE LIGHT THEN, LET’S GO AHEAD. WE CAN GO IN.
Oh, no we can’t!

WHY CAN’T WE?
I don’t know. When you say, ‘Go,’ it fades away. Now, it’s changing.

WHAT IS IT CHANGING TO?
It’s three, three, three major lights!

ARE THEY WHITE?
They are getting more and more blue.”

“AND YOU ARE OUTSIDE, AREN’T YOU?
Whoaa! (shakes)

IT’S ALL RIGHT, WHAT IS IT?
There’s like twenty of them!

TELL ME ABOUT THEM?
They were just there. (John Burroughs is shaking all over his body)

I’VE GOT YOU. TELL ME ABOUT THEM.
They are just there!

WHAT ARE THEY?
I don’t know! The milky surface is there and then they are there behind it!

WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE?
Little specks of blue lights!

OK, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?
I don’t know!”

AND YOU ARE OUTSIDE, AREN’T YOU?
Whoaa! (shakes)

IT’S ALL RIGHT, WHAT IS IT?
There’s like twenty of them!

TELL ME ABOUT THEM?
They were just there. (John Burroughs is shaking all over his body)

I’VE GOT YOU. TELL ME ABOUT THEM.
They are just there!

WHAT ARE THEY?
I don’t know! The milky surface is there and then they are there behind it!

WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE?
Little specks of blue lights!

OK, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?
I don’t know!” “Oh, God!

WHAT?
It won’t let me.  

IT WON’T LET YOU GO BACK THERE?
Every time I go, it gets strong! And it wants to pull me towards it! And when I think, it comes towards me and then it pulls me towards it! Oh, what’s wrong?! (whole body shakes) What’s it doing? (body jerks) They’re coming at me!

IT’S LIGHTS COMING AT YOU?
The little ones.

WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE WHEN THEY COME AT YOU?
It startles me. (breathing hard) Oh, God!

YOU’RE ALL RIGHT. I’VE GOT YOU. WHAT ELSE DO YOU SEE THERE?
Just a huge … now, it’s getting bigger and bigger like milky white object or substance that just keeps going up, down, wider, smaller. Then there’s an eye or something behind it.

AND IT (EYE) IS INTERFERING WITH YOUR ABILITY TO GO BACK IN TIME?
Every time you ask me to go back, the smaller objects appear and it gets stronger.” “Now there’s a hole between it, like the hole is opening up.

DO YOU SEE ANYTHING IN THE HOLE?
No. Wow!

WHAT DOES THE HOLE MEAN TO YOU?
I don’t know.”

“ARE YOU BACK ON THE GROUND IN THE FOREST WITH YOUR BUDDIES?
I don’t know. It’s gone.

WILL YOU EVER BE ABLE TO KNOW?
I think.

WILL YOU BE ABLE TO KNOW TODAY?
I don’t know. Something is just not being right. Nothing being right. There’s a reason why

“ARE YOU BACK ON THE GROUND IN THE FOREST WITH YOUR BUDDIES?
I don’t know. It’s gone.

WILL YOU EVER BE ABLE TO KNOW?
I think.

WILL YOU BE ABLE TO KNOW TODAY?
I don’t know. Something is just not being right. Nothing being right. There’s a reason why.”



John Awake:


“And this time I could see stuff that I’ve never seen before. It seemed to come out of me before (verbalization in 1988 hypnosis), but this time I was seeing it. GOOD, YOU

WERE FEELING THE EXPERIENCE. WELL, YOUR WHOLE BODY WAS VIBRATING FROM HEAD TO TOE.
But, there was something that at one point – I don’t remember what you were trying to get me to do, but it was like something just spun and really opened up and it was like it was trying to pull me through it. OK, I THINK

WE HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THAT MIGHT BE (OPENING IN CRAFT?) AND WE’LL WORK WITH THAT AGAIN.
It was like they (small blue lights?) were there and it seems like whenever you were trying to get me to do something, it would get whatever, and then there were some lights and then some other things. But then at one point, it was all of a sudden – just like a (spins his index finger around in the air) – I’ve never seen anything like it – it was a dark black abyss almost. I remember you asking me if I wanted it (memory) to come out and I did feel like it needs to come out. Not that I want it to come out, not that I’m scared of it coming out, but it needs to come out – but not that I’m trying to make it come out. I don’t know.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
It needs to come out. It’s there to come out, but it just has to come out the right way.”

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